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Offline Akari

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Re: Story Questions (Spoilers)
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2014, 07:29:58 AM »
Dave's story, Dave's ending. In my opinion, the perfect ending would have also brought Lauren back to life, and she would have reconnected with Joey on the bridge while he dumped Rosa's ashes into the river. They would both have lost their powers. It always seemed to me that the relationship between Joey and Lauren was different from his relationship with Rosa. They could have lived out a normal, albeit, undocumented life, together.
I'm pretty sure Joey and Lauren were in love with each other but never expressed their feelings. At least with Joey it was stated clearly in the commentary to Unbound. And there was a hint about Lauren in the last game as well (haven't played the game with the commentary yet, maybe I'm wrong). So that actually would have been very interesting. Pity it was never meant to be.
Originally I liked Joey+Lauren team much more. But Rosa did become stronger than Lauren in the end.

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2014, 09:13:03 AM »
I think I figured out a possible answer to my own question. Patricia, Lauren and Jocelyn had virtually the same condition. Whether it was because Jocelyn banished Madeline or because Madeline tried to control her, part of her soul was missing. The same was definitely true for Lauren and Patricia from what we see in the void. That allowed the universe to flow into their heads and drive them insane. Perhaps Lauren and Patricia would have wound up like the countess except for their insanity being controlled by drugs. Rosa, however, escapes the void and reclaims her fractured  soul. This somehow made the universe pushing in cause death instead of insanity. It never made that much sense anyway, but this at least explains the difference.

As for Cooper's body, Madeline explains that they didn't get it before everyone fell unconscious. I think they found Rosa and unconscious Cory, took them to the hospital, and never even knew about Cooper's body because Cory was the only one who knew about it, and who knows how long he was unconscious for. I doubt they would be anxious to search around the corner in a massive blizzard with two medical emergencies to take care of.

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Re: Story Questions (Spoilers)
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2014, 02:11:26 PM »
Coopers body being left inside I think had to to with Maddy. Once she began with the vortex I don't think anyone could enter the building.
It's also possible that Palmer had not had time to radio in that he found the body so very little effort was put into entering the school after they took care of him and Rosa, assuming he didn't wake up until the hospital that is.

Offline Akari

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Re: Story Questions (Spoilers)
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2014, 06:39:30 PM »
I think I figured out a possible answer to my own question. Patricia, Lauren and Jocelyn had virtually the same condition.
When I started to think about this, it got really confusing for me too.
Indeed, they are different from other people since they are Bestowers, they have some special connection with the universe, since they exist somewhere in between the two worlds - the living and the dead. If I understand correctly that mind break actually means that the soul of the Bestower gets somehow sucked away by the void - so the soul is safely hidden in the void, barely connected with the actual body, with the mind becoming part of the void. Though a Bestower's mind should originally be connected to the void in fact, it's just that with the mind break it's like a floodgate opening.
So I guess what Rosa managed to do is to sort of walk back to her head. Doesn't that make her stronger than all her predecessors? It sure does. But doesn't cancel the fact that the gate to the void was already fully open. I'm not sure about the death though. Perhaps it would keep on trying to suck her back in and trying to stop it caused the death?

It also appears that unwillingness to perform the duty has nothing to do with going insane because Madeline said that it was her responsible for Patricia's and Lauren's insanity. As for the Countess it is a bit unclear, but I would not be surprised if it was Madeline's doing as well. However, it is also possible that banishing the guide might lead to the same kind of mind break.

Not sure about what happened to Joey not being accepted by that wave of spirits passing through. You'd think it's because of his connection to Rosa. Is it because of him being the spirit guide or because Rosa is special? If it's the former then other Bestowers' ghosts should have stayed - Madeline being the exception since her current host was dead; so the statements that all the ghosts were saved would not be fully correct. If the latter - that would mean that all the Bestowers of the world were left without their companions and there would be nobody to help the new spirits.
It is by the way a pity that we did not see many other Bestowers. I wonder how many of those there are. One for every big city or? :) Since it was mentioned that one Bestower in New York is enough. If there are many, then they should form an Internet society so that they wouldn't feel so alone in this world :) Maybe hold yearly meetings, how about that :) No travelling by plane though I suppose huh

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As for Cooper's body, Madeline explains that they didn't get it before everyone fell unconscious.
Oh, thanks, I think I missed that one - played the game only once so far, too busy atm, trying hard not to start the game again or I'll never leave :P

Sorry for long post :) I do enjoy going into details like this :)

Offline yidgamer

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Re: Story Questions (Spoilers)
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2014, 10:46:51 PM »
Self-Correction: I think it might actually be Rosa who says (through her superpowers) they didn't find Cooper's body .

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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2014, 04:11:27 AM »
I didn't see the conversation explaining that Joey being the last freed ghost before the separation was the reason for his being stuck behind. Does that mean that he really will be allowed to move on once he dies again? I was so worried that he'd be stuck behind again when that time came, unable to rejoin the Blackwells and Danny in peace where he belongs.

I'm not really sure what purpose bringing him back to life was supposed to serve as he can no longer perform his spirit work and everyone he cares about (from his original life and the Blackwells) are dead, so it seems kind of cruel to thrust him back into life...

But maybe it was necessary to "reset" his spirit? To stop him from being a spirit guide so that when he dies again he'll just be a normal spirit?

I can kinda see that working out so long as he would be able to freely go into the light and not come back next time. Joey is awesome but the poor guy needs a break already. Die, Joey, die and be happy!




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Re: Story Questions (Spoilers)
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2014, 05:50:28 PM »
I am struggling to get an "Epiphany - Hows and whys of Joey" achievement - could I ask anyone for a slight hint? I am playing the Humble Store (non-Steam) version.
I have finished the game and I would hate to miss the important angle of the story (though I've tried hard to explore all the dialogues).


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Re: Story Questions (Spoilers)
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2014, 01:58:04 PM »
If that's the one I think it is, to the best of my memory it requires you to talk to Madeline while she's possessing Rosa in front of Grace Church. I don't remember exactly which options I pressed, but I don't think you can miss it as long as you exhaust the dialogue options before you use the tie on her.

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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2014, 05:41:37 PM »
If that's the one I think it is, to the best of my memory it requires you to talk to Madeline while she's possessing Rosa in front of Grace Church. I don't remember exactly which options I pressed, but I don't think you can miss it as long as you exhaust the dialogue options before you use the tie on her.

Thank you, that was it! I was so focused on trying to save Rosa that I didn't even attempt to talk to Madeline at that point.

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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2014, 06:53:19 PM »
If that's the one I think it is, to the best of my memory it requires you to talk to Madeline while she's possessing Rosa in front of Grace Church. I don't remember exactly which options I pressed, but I don't think you can miss it as long as you exhaust the dialogue options before you use the tie on her.

Thank you, that was it! I was so focused on trying to save Rosa that I didn't even attempt to talk to Madeline at that point.
Totally understandable. :D